User talk:Horologium/February 2009

Improper user page?

Horologium, I'm not sure if you are up on this sort of policy or not (I picked you to ask because I remember that, before you became an admin, you had an abundance of common sense, and I don't see you as losing that just because you got the mop), but do you know if this sort of user page allowed? I can't imagine that it is, yet I do not know what rule(s) it violates, or where I would report it. I mean, it isn't appropriate for an AfD, so I'm lost. Unschool 06:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm. Yeah, that definitely fails WP:USER, as it's an advertisement in its current form. I'll drop a note to him tonight about moving it to a subpage, since he's been working on it for quite a while, and he states (in his very first edit summary) that he wants to push it to mainspace when he's done. It's not ready yet, bu there appears to be a history of expanding and improving the article, and while the editor is clearly a WP:SPA, he's not disruptive. It just needs to be moved to a subpage within the editor's userspace. For userpages which are clearly unacceptable anywhere (such as racist/sexist/ethnic screeds or the like), either send them up for a speedy or send them to Miscellany for deletion, which is essentially AFD for non-articles.

BTW, thank you for your kind words. Not all admins lose their common sense when they receive the mop. (grin) Horologium (talk) 11:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the lesson. And just so you know, I don't go looking for opportunities to disrupt the lives of users/editors. For the most part, I was curious, and you've educated me; ergo, this day cannot be a total loss. Unschool 04:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Mr. Pibb in popular culture at AfD

Hi - based on your contributions to Pibb Xtra and its talk page, I thought you'd might be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mr. Pibb in popular culture. Please feel free to join it if you so desire. B.Wind (talk) 04:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

About Gainesville

Hi Horologium,
I guess I made a mistake (well, it happens): I wasn't aware there are several Gainesvilles in the United States, so I thought it was the only one, and redirected to Gainesville (Stati Uniti). Usually on it.wiki cities are listed by name, then by name and country and, in case of further homonymy (more than one in the same country), by name and State, Province, or county. So, for example, New York is the city (and New York (stato) is the State); Perth in Scotland is Perth (Regno Unito) and Perth in Australia is Perth (Australia). Since there are more than one Hollywood in the U.S., for example, we distinguish between Hollywood (California) which is the most famous and redirects to Hollywood and Hollywood, Fl., which article is Hollywood (Florida). Anyway you can't move back to Gainesville (Florida), there's an operation to perform in order to save the article's history, I'm going to ask for it. Hope this helps and my English wasn't that terrible. Regards, Sergio † BC™ (Write me!) 15:11, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

P.S. By the way, what is the most famous Gainesville in the U.S.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackcat it (talk • contribs) 15:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that would definitely be the one in Florida. It's the biggest, and it's the home of the University of Florida, the third-largest university in the US, and home of the Florida Gators, who are the current NCAA football champions. Horologium (talk) 15:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Actually I thought there were some Gainesville elsewhere (though I should have known that an extensive use of the French suffix "-ville" is typically American, Brits don't use it), that's why I redirected to (Stati Uniti). Anyway the project:cities of USA on it.wiki have not exactly clear ideas: they have redirect Boston to Boston (Stati Uniti d'America) though there is no way to misunderstand (i guess that not even in South Africa someone might think you're talking about Boston, KwaZulu-Natal when you say "Boston"...) :-] Sergio † BC™ (Write me!) 15:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, since Gainesville, Fl. is the most famous city in the U.S. with such name, now Gainesville redirects to Gainesville (Florida), and a disambiguation page Gainesville (disambigua) lists the other Gainesvilles. (btw where/when did you learn Italian?) Sergio † BC™ (Write me!) 15:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Oh, and I don't speak Italian, but my boyfriend does; he's the one who helped me write my it.wiki user page information. The articles I wrote on the Italian wikipedia are more-or-less direct translations of the pages generated here by User:Rambot; I found a Florida city on it.wikipedia with the wording, and just plugged in the appropriate numbers. I know what it says (because I am familiar with the English original), but I can't write much in Italian. The verbiage in the lead paragraphs may be a bit strange, because I used Babel Fish to translate, and machine translation can be a bit dodgy. I wanted to add articles that were more than stubs, so they didn't get deleted. Horologium (talk) 16:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

BTW, i looked at that interesting "political compass" babelfish in your userpage. I tried the test and according to it I should be Economic Left/Right: -1.38 and Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59. Pratically a moderated leftist and a rather strong libertarian, who thinks that the State should focus about economics and job rather than moral and bedrooms. Maybe it's true LOL, though I guess that "leftism" on your side of the pond has different meaning than ours; anyway I remember that many years ago I saw something similar in Italy, it was a Cartesian diagram which X-axis was Amore (love) and Y-axis was Libertà (freedom). "Love" had to be read as "interaction between persons" and "freedom" as "interaction between the single person and the State (or any other authority)". Sergio † BC™ (Write me!) 18:05, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

:) From what I have seen here on Wikipedia (at least the English Wikipedia), your scores are not at all unusual. My Economic score is one of the highest numbers (furthest to the right) I've seen on any user page, but the social score is not atypical. My social score is not really that accurately represented, due to some of the assumptions built into the model; I support ending the "war on drugs", legalizing prostitution, getting the government out of the marriage business, and several other issues that are to the left of center even by European standards. The model takes my lack of outright hostility to religion to mean that I support "traditional values", which is not the case. My foreign policy views probably skew it too. Horologium (talk) 18:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Larry Elder

Horologium, I don't think Rockyobody and I are going to resolve our differences anytime soon and I think the experience has left us both with a bad taste in our mouth for the Larry Elder article. I find Rockyobody's lack of logic unnerving and his persistent comments on my talk page have been verging on harassment. I've noticed someone else would like to edit the article with a correction of Larry Elder's father's age. If it would end the edit protection for other users, I'd be open to you blocking both me and Rockyobody from further editing the article, in fact I volunteer to be blocked from editing the article any further. Thank you. Thorburn (talk) 08:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

There is no justification (yet) to topic-ban either of you on Larry Elder (or any of the related pages), but I won't remove protection from that article until there is a consensus one way or the other. (The RFC, which seems to have stalled, appeared to support your PoV more than Rockyobody's, but I'm not going to get involved in that catfight again). If you want to edit a section that is not contested, use the {{editprotected}} template on the article's talk page, and identify what you want to change, the text that you wish to change, and the reason. I have not been watching your talk page (or his), but it appears that he is no longer posting on your page, as per your request. Keep trying to engage him on the article's talk page, and you might try dropping a note at one of the WikiProjects which claim this article WikiProject Biography or WikiProject Journalism, asking them to comment on the RFC. This is not canvassing, as you are not attempting to tip the debate one way or the other (neither group is explicitly political, which would be an issue), but a neutrally worded request might bring more eyes in. As the protecting admin, I really cannot get involved in editing or advocacy on this article. Horologium (talk) 22:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Believe it or not, I actually agree with Thorburn on this one. While I still have things I’d like to say (or have already said without him listening), I think the RFC has gone far enough. Both of us have been senselessly arguing over nothing, and I said I would no longer edit the article a long time ago. The reason I did that was because we will never agree. I think both Thorburn and I will no longer edit anymore. So can the compromise be that we will both refrain from editing? - Rockyobody (talk) 00:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Reasons for wiping out large part of the Administrator's Noticeboard.

Did you have a particular reason to wipe out number of other incidents in [1] ?- Skysmith (talk) 12:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

You appear to be a bit confused. There are 441 revisions missing between those two diffs, not to mention two days worth of edits to what is one of the ten busiest pages on Wikipedia. Please take a look at the actual diffs instead of two diffs with many intermediate revisions in between. Horologium (talk) 14:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

• • Argh. So it seems. My apologies - Skysmith (talk) 12:47, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

University of Florida

Thanks for requesting page protection. I had done this yesterday but it was denied by someone who claimed that it had been only reverted twice. Apparently, they didn't look back more than five minutes in the history. I am not involved in this edit war, but find it equally lame and disruptive. Wperdue (talk) 21:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)wperdue

I have been watching this in disgust. FWIW, my personal view is that UF is the flagship university, but I was the one who crafted the "a" compromise, after watching the war over "UF is the flagship university..." and "UF is one of two flagship universities...", which is asinine. This whole debate is driven primarily by a few FSU alums who have an inferiority complex. FWIW, my partner, who is currently pursuing a post-graduate degree at FSU (and who doesn't have a degree from UF) agrees with my assessment. Horologium (talk) 21:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

So do I, though I also do not have a degree from UF, but USF. --Moni3 (talk) 22:56, 24 February 2009 (UTC)